Curse

Eldin · Mar 22, 2008, 06:13 PM // 18:13

Once again, can't we just agree that before LS everyone was flat out richer, plain and simple? Even if you didn't farm back then, point is that the potential was there, you'd make much more money than you would now.

I think that Ettin, Troll, and Griffon nerfing also killed the economy a bit. They were still some of the best farming locations.

manitoba1073 · Mar 22, 2008, 06:26 PM // 18:26

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Originally Posted by Gli

You're missing half the conversation. Someone said that old-timers were all rich, I just told him that not all old-timers are rich. That's the only point I was making.

And yes, the not-so-rich old-timers are the ones complaining. Didn't you read the thread?

So lets get this straight then. You're saying its the poor players that are complaining as I said in my post the first time I quoted you. Now wouldnt that be exactly opposite of what Anerf is and was trying to accomplish with LS.

N1ghtstalker · Mar 22, 2008, 06:32 PM // 18:32

i wanna know wtf is going on now with MY loot
i'm constantly getting purples from locked chest IN HARD MODE
and i'm the only one getting those worthless drops
it's sickening ><

Gli · Mar 22, 2008, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

So lets get this straight then. You're saying its the poor players that are complaining as I said in my post the first time I quoted you. Now wouldnt that be exactly opposite of what Anerf is and was trying to accomplish with LS.

No, I'm saying that the poor old-timers are complaining and not the rich old-timers. It wasn't even any kind of point I wanted to make, I only implied that not all old-timers are rich. I never said that poor players in general are complaining.

ogre_jd · Mar 22, 2008, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by reetkever

Why would A-Net put in the titles and then make it unreach-able for people? A-Net has always been saying that skill > time in this game. Since some titles have positive effects on gameplay, A-Net should not make reaching the titles too hard or else they contradict themselves.

My point is, and probably theirs, is that you don't HAVE to go for every single title just because those titles exist. If you want the harder titles, and especially more than one or two of them, why shouldn't you have to earn them, either by effort or spending your gold? And if you don't want to, or can't, put in the effort or spend the gold to get them all, so what?

manitoba1073 · Mar 22, 2008, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by Gli

No, I'm saying that the poor old-timers are complaining and not the rich old-timers. It wasn't even any kind of point I wanted to make, I only implied that not all old-timers are rich. I never said that poor players in general are complaining.

But it is still poor players that are complaining though now isnt it. Which is opposite of what Anerf wanted to happen.

Savio · Mar 22, 2008, 08:53 PM // 20:53

No, it's the middle-class farmers who complain the most. The ones who have 15k armors, dozens of skills and workable builds, multiple titles - you know, the group that never has enough.

Ork Pride · Mar 22, 2008, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by Savio

No, it's the middle-class farmers who complain the most. The ones who have 15k armors, dozens of skills and workable builds, multiple titles - you know, the group that never has enough.

Ok, now back your statement up.

Savio · Mar 22, 2008, 09:12 PM // 21:12

Self-explanatory.
Also self-explanatory.
Black armor.
Wants nice armor.
Has 15k armor.

This thread is rife with other examples. If you have elite armors, shiny weapons, etc. you're not a casual player. There's the actual casual player, who only has a few plat and not even close to max equipment, and then there's the "casual player" farmer who doesn't think his 3 sets of armor is enough. Only one of them sees significant benefits from the removal of loot scaling.

If you really want to help the casual player, ask for an increase in gold from everything, not just from farming.

Stolen Souls · Mar 22, 2008, 10:39 PM // 22:39

I think many of the people here need to truly understand what a "casual player" is. Casual players are not farmers. They are people that play through the game for fun, whenever time allows them to. They don't care that they don't make 50-100k per day, because they dont NEED that much (people that say they don't have enough for skills are full of BS).

Most of those posting here are not casual players. They are farmers that want more, and want to get it faster.

Angelic Upstart · Mar 22, 2008, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

I think many of the people here need to truly understand what a "casual player" is. Casual players are not farmers. They are people that play through the game for fun, whenever time allows them to.

Agreed, .

Most of those posting here are not casual players. They are farmers that want more, and want to get it faster.

Although this may apply to some players, personally i farmed HM out of necessity for the drops in nm after LS could not keep me in the standard to which i had become accustomed, besides, i believe that if you want anything you got to work for it.

rustyduktape · Mar 22, 2008, 10:57 PM // 22:57

/signed, we need to get rid of this lootscaling thing so it will better our economy in game.

Fay Vert · Mar 22, 2008, 11:21 PM // 23:21

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

I think many of the people here need to truly understand what a "casual player" is. Casual players are not farmers. They are people that play through the game for fun, whenever time allows them to. They don't care that they don't make 50-100k per day, because they dont NEED that much (people that say they don't have enough for skills are full of BS).

Most of those posting here are not casual players. They are farmers that want more, and want to get it faster.

Lets see now. I am a casual player, I have maybe half an hour to spare, maybe not even that, I don't know. Which sort of game play suits me better? Is it the 3 hour dungeon, in a PuG, that I would almost certainly have to abandon not even half way through? Or is it the solo, go out and blow up some trolls a few times sort of gameplay?

Strikes me, you have no idea of what casual play is if you think that casual players can't farm.

Ork Pride · Mar 22, 2008, 11:24 PM // 23:24

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Originally Posted by Savio

Self-explanatory.
Also self-explanatory.
Black armor.
Wants nice armor.
Has 15k armor.

This thread is rife with other examples. If you have elite armors, shiny weapons, etc. you're not a casual player. There's the actual casual player, who only has a few plat and not even close to max equipment, and then there's the "casual player" farmer who doesn't think his 3 sets of armor is enough. Only one of them sees significant benefits from the removal of loot scaling.

If you really want to help the casual player, ask for an increase in gold from everything, not just from farming.

Because only a handful describe the majority.

Gli · Mar 22, 2008, 11:24 PM // 23:24

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Lets see now. I am a casual player, I have maybe half an hour to spare, maybe not even that, I don't know. Which sort of game play suits me better? Is it the 3 hour dungeon, in a PuG, that I would almost certainly have to abandon not even half way through? Or is it the solo, go out and blow up some trolls a few times sort of gameplay?

Strikes me, you have no idea of what casual play is if you think that casual players can't farm.

If you have half an hour or less to spend, you don't need any gold at all because you'll never get anywhere.

Zahr Dalsk · Mar 22, 2008, 11:25 PM // 23:25

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

people that say they don't have enough for skills are full of BS

You're an idiot. I don't have enough for skills. I can't afford to toss away 1k repeatedly for skills because Loot Scaling ensures that I can barely farm anything.

Stolen Souls · Mar 22, 2008, 11:28 PM // 23:28

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

You're an idiot. I don't have enough for skills. I can't afford to toss away 1k repeatedly for skills because Loot Scaling ensures that I can barely farm anything.

Proph quests = skills.
Tomes = 500 gold.
Hero points = skills.

ty kthnxbai

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Strikes me, you have no idea of what casual play is if you think that casual players can't farm

So....what's stopping you from farming? If your just doing it to pass a half hour, who gives a damn about loot scaling?

Zahr Dalsk · Mar 22, 2008, 11:30 PM // 23:30

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

Proph quests = skills. (lol, those are only for prophecies characters)
Tomes = 500 gold.
Hero points = skills.

Nowhere here have you mentioned the actual acquisition of gold. Also, tomes are purchased from players, which makes them not appropriate for use in this debate since there is no merchant that sells them. And hero points only account for a few skills until you need to work on grinding them out.

GG.

Stolen Souls · Mar 22, 2008, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Nowhere here have you mentioned the actual acquisition of gold. Also, tomes are purchased from players, which makes them not appropriate for use in this debate since there is no merchant that sells them. And hero points only account for a few skills until you need to work on grinding them out.

GG.

Does a casual player NEED a huge arsenal of skills? Nope. A hardcore player that utilizes many builds, yes. Casual, nope.

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Also, tomes are purchased from players, which makes them not appropriate for use in this debate since there is no merchant that sells them.

So? If you can't "afford" a skill for 1k, spend a few precious minutes in Kamadan and buy a tome. Don't want to? Then you must not really need the skill THAT badly...

Need to aquire gold? Raptor farming...go spend an hour doing it. Get tons of eggs and bunnies...maybe an ele sword and dyes. Sell them. Buy skills.

GG

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(lol, those are only for prophecies characters)

Anything after LA is NOT Proph only........

Zahr Dalsk · Mar 22, 2008, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

Does a casual player NEED a huge arsenal of skills? Nope. A hardcore player that utilizes many builds, yes. Casual, nope.

With Guild Wars' constantly altering skill selection, yeh, you do need a large arsenal of skills.

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

So? If you can't "afford" a skill for 1k, spend a few precious minutes in Kamadan and buy a tome. Don't want to? Then you must not really need the skill THAT badly...

Wow, you're able to buy tomes from players in minutes? Lucky you.